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It's *especially* for people who don't believe in literal rebirth. But we too are struggling to get enough people to keep it ticking over.

very nice teaching moment.

interesting how that can happen, hey?

lol

P.

“Usually people are pissed off at us because they don't like the fact that we don't have room for Buddhism Lite ™.”

The fact is, the Buddha taught about a Buddhism Lite(TM), and it wasn't the slander to the Tathagata that Alexander Berzin commits with his “Dharma Lite” essay, it is in fact the very same pre-Buddhist, superstitious and speculative views of reincarnation, “merit-making”, and deterministic karma that the junta at e-sangha insist are integral to the Buddha's teachings.

These views he called “right view that is tainted”. He clearly points to these views as inferior to his own teachings, which he called “Noble Right View that is untainted, transcendent, a Factor of the Path”.This Noble Right View and these teachings are based on discernment, and empirical observation of the way things are, not the speculative view or superstitions of the Real Buddhism Lite (TM)

The Buddha declared his teachings to be “visible here and now, timeless, open to inspection, transcendent, and to be experienced by the wise for themselves.” He could never have made such a claim were his own unique teachings based in superstition and speculative views. Berzin — and now Namdrol and the E-Sangha Thought Police — slander the Buddha with their claim that his pristine teachings were “Dharma Lite”.

I do not want to press you but am genuinely interested in the swing especially as it is being used by Aro themselves as reverse endorsement.

Is there is reason why you are restricting your comments here?

I do not want to press you but am genuinely interested in the swing especially as it is being used by Aro themselves as reverse endorsement.

Aro have a huge website rebuffing your previous comments and experiences of your wife.

What has changed for you?

Peter.

Where is the freedom of believe like stated in the constitution ? Herewith is also meant the free practice and believe of the Dorje Shugden tradition.

Best wishes:

Lung Tha

One time i was banned from e-sangha because i used the term
lamaism like you use it in Buddhism. Also in some books of Evantz Wentz they use it. So it took me about one year to get in again on the forum : e-sangha.

Finally Malcolm decided to let me in again. So he has that power over other administrators to do that.

Further did Malcolm closed abrupt on the Bön Forum my question from Vajrayana to Bön with the remark that it would be not good and because i mentioned that the Shakyamuni Buddha did not teached Dzogchen.

Here i would mention that Malcolm is not so fanatic like the rest like the Singapore boyz or club. They are not so well educated like Malcolm, therefore the Singapore Boyz behave like people with one eye.

Recently is the Bön Forum banned because i did not accept that on a Bön Forum we have to defend Bön like Bön lawyers.

Further is Bön a Tibetan tradition has its Buddha’s like in Vajrayana but because it was earlier in Tibet etc. it is called Bön and the followers are Bönpo’s who respect the teachings of the Shakyamuni because He is a Buddha like the Buddha from Bön is too. But Shakyamuni followers are called Buddhists and Bön followers Bönpo’s.

On E-Sangha arose the question are Bönpo’s Buddhists which i replied with no they are Bönpo’s.

Further did i replied that it was impolite tos ask such a question on a Bön Forum because Bönpo’s would never make the question: Can a Buddhist be concidered a Bönpo?

Here it is also playing with words like in Lamaism a word game with the concequence that the whole Bön Forum was banned from the Tibetan tradition Forum.

So they insist that Bön have to call themselves Buddhists
which is not the case because they follow another Buddha and beause of that they are Bönpo’s.

So both traditions follow a Buddha but on e-sangha they force on the Bön Forum about Bönpos that they must agree that they are Buddhists.

Well that has concequences of course for Bönpo’s, then their old name is gone and a Bönpo is called Buddhist or a step further Vajrayana follower. So they must be then a part of Vajrayana and so they lose their traditional behaviour.

Further did i suggest to make a Bönpo the moderator of the Bön Forum so that we could start with Bön subjects. That was of course never replied. They keep the politics in their hand.

Then i brought up one time the facts on table of a friend of mine who regular vists the Pomdra monastery in Myosore and this monastery is a sub devision of Sera Me.

Well the young monks don’t get support and are starving because they do Dorje Shugden practice which they must do because they must obbey. So my friend told me that the monastery is attacked by the local Tibetans who follow the edict of the Dalai Lama. So i defend the hunger of these young monks whereas i am Bönpo and have nothing to do with the Shugden cult.

So Mr.Henry one of the most fanatic mods told:

It would be better that they would starve with a belly filled with Dorje Shugden then to get compassion from others.

They better should stop practicing!

Sorry i cannot remeber it so exactly but the meaning was that compassion was not on the right place here.

So further he banned me for 6 weeks because i doubted the compassion of a moderator !!!!!!!!!!

This because i defended the hunger of the little children the little monks who are innocent like we all would defend young children.

Well this is about my experiences with this so called Buddhist Forum which covers only the club of certain fanatics and they put all without their own tradition in a strange light by coorperating in this authoretarian self-protecting selfish club.

So for me it is at the very moment equal if they would ban me or not because i never would look into this home made club of incompetent Vajrayana followers who like to stamp others visions.

As a last word. I quit the Roman Catholic Church for the so called selfish politics base on persecution etc.

e-sangha moderators look a little bit like the inquisition or like the Dominicans.

So my complains are seen from another corner but even in this corner i can see much similarities with what you have met with those persons who like it to beat and kick people on a mental way. It is mental perverity because they cause others to suffer by their behaviour.

Others must feel themselves guilty……….. and not they are banned.

Regards:

Lung Tha

I just learned the coolest thing that pride is ultimately only overcome with the 10 virtues or that the faults of body (killin etc…) speech (divisive, harsh, lying…etc… and mind (wrong views…) are all obscurations and that the overlay to the entire thing is associated with pride/naval/hari…

When I was young arrogance turned me on, and now it just pisses me off or angers me. And many people are just having one response or the other to the arrogance on esangha. Those who follow the game are turned on, those who are pissed… are turned off…winds in one direction or the other.
Everyone is stuck and it’s really disheartening.

One stuck leader, many stuck followers and dissenters…too bad.

I work at a high school where the floors are never mopped, the books are old and filled with mistakes, racial politics has replaced an emphasis on proper behavior and way too many of the students are illiterate. Those who are highly capable suffer from diminished skills from being in neglectful environments. Students threaten to kill and harm teachers and return to class the next day. It is a sick environment where students perform public dramatizations about their latest shop lifting and sexual acts. 13 year old gang members are killing each other in the neighborhood and everyone is complacent in the chaos and stress of the environment. This is an abridged litany, leaving out the drug and alcohol problems…but there have been times when I am expressly livid and throw a fit about publically being subjected to listening to a girl child tell 400 ninth graders how her boyfriend put his mouth on her crotch.

Esangha pulls up the same kind of outrage. There is something fundamentally wrong with the way people are treated, corrected and banned when they are believed to be wrong. It fosters a split in the sangha and not union. Milarepa corrected people and they instantly saw the wisdom in it. When I see it on e-sangha it just gives me a case of the reflected ass.

Must be why we are told to avoid pointing out others faults and not to create schisms in sangha and disharmony with vajra bro and sis…

grow up malcomn, and thats in vajra years

Now I notice the little phrase at the bottom of this form with the smiley “You’re being watched. Disable”

Shall I take that seriously too? Being an old anarchist I question all authority, even my own. That said I have to hand it to the passion expressed here. It does stir klesha-mind doesn’t it?

Good luck with the new forum. I hope it succeeds. I’ll probably check in over there too.

Meanwhile I’ll continue to drop my little turds into the e-sangha threads. I suppose if you want to examine at least some level of tolerance over there, they let my blog stand. It is pretty uncommon and non-traditional in presenting a vajrayana sensibility.

P

Mass builds mass - energy attracts energy - else it gets boring i.e. if there is not the ongoing dialogue, and until then the reality is E-sangha represents and informs a lot of people on what Buddhism is. We can hope that is not building believers or dogmatists only but there are still good people in the midst so it’s just another eco-system :)

So to add to the mix, there’s forums such as WebSangha and BuddhaChat, amidst others. Some people just need to congregate together - or not.

To be fair to Namdrol, I think many actions are taken by other moderators - and not everyone who makes decisions comes to the fore. We are all heirs to our kamma, including myself.

Good practice, everyone. Don’t neglect the medicine :)

Best wishes,
Abu